{"id":171,"date":"2010-12-30T18:20:47","date_gmt":"2010-12-30T18:20:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hansvandergugten.nl\/wp\/?p=170"},"modified":"2021-09-17T23:16:04","modified_gmt":"2021-09-17T21:16:04","slug":"ayahuasca-dreamier-than-at-santo-daime-notes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hansvandergugten.nl\/?p=171","title":{"rendered":"Ayahuasca Dreamier than at Santo Daime. Notes"},"content":{"rendered":"

Amsterdam, december 21, 2010<\/span><\/p>\n

Et Alia,<\/p>\n

Okay, there we go, in one go.
\nSaturday night I went to a ayahuasca ritual for the
\nfirst time since 3 and a half month.
\nCurious what the difference would be, compared to
\nthis Santo Daime works, with all its Xian connotations.<\/p>\n

The group is organised by a spiritual teacher\/coach, who
\ngives this group 6 times per year. He prefers to not be
\nnamed as such, feels fine with how it is, newcomers come
\nby invitation. Yet he is a person that deserves a name,
\nlet’s call him Alfa, as I already did in the title of the
\nwebmap with the pics that were taken afterwards.
\n( Webmap (passwort: public)<\/a> )
\nThis above link still works but it used to be a direct working link.
\nI add those pictures now (September 17 2021) into the thext:
\n\"\"
\n\"\"
\n\"\"<\/p>\n

There were between 30 and 40 people, less than expected,
\ndue to the snowy weather conditions.
\nFor\u00a0 me it was easy, I could walk over to the place.<\/p>\n

(I happen to know the place in detail. Few years ago
\nI kind of facelifted the place as a carpenter\/handyman)<\/p>\n

I carried with me a whole bag full of textiles: two
\nbedcovers, a few lungis\u00a0 and my ointment to keep
\nthe sore and fiery hands going.
\nAlfa asked me if I was going to sleep there.
\nI explained about the eczema and the need for a
\nrather precise regulation of body temperature.
\nHe just nodded and organized me a good place.<\/p>\n

What can I say?
\nThe atmosphere was quiet and relaxed and just before
\nit started I felt the excitement growing stronger and
\nwas almost immediately aware that i was feeling the ‘room’.<\/p>\n

In a short introduction Alfa sketched the outline of the evening.
\nThere would be the drinking of the first dose of ayahuasca.
\nWe would drink the 2 components of it separate.
\nThe component being Mimosa Hostilis (Jurema) and
\nPeganum Harmala (Haoma).
\n(There goes the myth down the drain, that those two
\ncomponent have to be prepared and mixed together
\nand boiled for days on special places in the Brazilian jungle,
\nwhile singing of hymns goes on\u00a0\u00a0 by dedicated insiders).
\nThen we were invited to join in\u00a0 a meditation for half an hour,
\nhumming mmmm, accompanied by a constant harmonious
\ndrone to be played on one of those Indian harmoniums.
\nAfter that there would be bhajan singing, intermingled with
\nsilences. Than a break, feel free to walk and go outside,
\nsmoke if you need to. Then a second dose with music and
\nsilences again. This is a meditation, please focus on yourself.<\/p>\n

The rest is history. That’s how it feels.
\nI will put into words what comes back, mostly from reflecting
\non what happened while and after the happening happened.<\/p>\n

The first dose in the two little plastic cups were bitter and
\nsour as usual, but crystal clear.
\n(Afterwards Alfa said, when i asked him about this, that he prefers
\nit this way, cause the mixture curdles, and yes, Daime is muddy)
\nThe m&m&m&m meditation seemed to last long but suddenly
\nit was already over.
\nThere was a feeling of tiredness in the beginning, out of which
\nmovement occurred. The pelvis and the hips were turning and
\nturning slowly from one side to another, with once and a while
\na stretching out of the leg. Felt good.<\/p>\n

There was a good surprize about the high quality of the bhajan singing by this people, about 5 of them, that\u00a0 I know from a
\ncenter where I go for retreats..
\nThen I went thru a whole series of aversions toward it.
\n(Meaning that those feelings and thoughts came along,
\nme just being aware of them while being grounded in the
\nbody, or floating away with them while loosing ground).
\nOne line was about this Indian bhajans being kind of stolen
\nby us westerners and, that’s what we do, perfected and
\npolished almost to the level of Bach music.
\nIncredibly beautiful and yet it was resented in a way.
\nAnother line was pure resentment of memories from
\nover 30 years ago, singing this endless om nama shivayas
\nwhile not feeling happy at all and feeling all kinds of
\nunclear undercurrents in this positive thinking nonsense
\nmovement that for me blurred the potential clarity of
\nthe so called new age.
\nA third line was a variation on something simular as
\nfelt before at Santo Daime meetings: here goes again
\na\u00a0 alien cultural wrap around this shamanic plant ritual.
\nIt felt very strange to suddenly hear\/see Hanuman swing
\nthru the liana of the Brazilian rainforest.<\/p>\n

Then slowly and unnoticed i slid into a warm body
\nfeeling and a vivid dream state while wide awake.
\nThen there was this airy sound of a Tingsha Cymbal.
\nAnd, surprize, surprize….. break…..
\nSecond dose.<\/p>\n

Soon the by now well known effects reoccurred and
\nbecame stronger.
\nThe music and the singing kind of materializes a bit.
\nThere was all kind of energetics going on. I remember
\na moment where my hands, in actuality and the
\ninner representation of them too, were moving and
\nat a point, one after the other, the hands fell softly
\ndown, evidently by a relaxation from the wrists.
\nI remember having had a thought of hoping that
\nthis would mean a healing to the hands.
\n(The last 2 month the hands are eczemic like crazy,
\nalong a sharp and visible line around my wrists.
\nWhen i told a friend, she remembered hearing me
\nuse the metaphor on myself as having had my hands cut
\nof during my upbringing, and sometimes the hands
\nlook as if they are boiled in dark medieval<\/span><\/span> oil).<\/p>\n

Then, always suddenly, the dmt high falls upon you.
\nHow to describe?
\nThe energy starts moving\u00a0 and moving, the sensory
\ninput gets an extra strength and intensity, the
\nenergy takes wing and rises up, the third eye goes
\nwide open and the whole spaces gets filled, no,
\nthe whole space is whirling colours and form,
\nfor a while, or mostly, intens off white pink
\nwith myriads of moving 3D forms, while it all makes
\nsense, it is self evident and yet no clue.
\nSomething like that.
\nAnd then suddenly this spasmic explosion of the
\nvomiting reflex. Strong and irresitable.
\nEven the thought of it being irresistable blocks
\nthe flow of it, and the instant knowing of that,
\n(nano seconds stuff), allows the relaxation to
\nset in. Four , five, six braking waves and done.
\nThe bright awake part sets aside the washing-up
\nbowl that was close at hand.
\nThe energy flows freely now, the ‘inner’ space
\nbeing filled with colours, movement and forms.
\nAnd in a way zillions of informative particles.
\n(How else to speak this?).<\/p>\n

At one point there was an episode where the issue
\nwas the 2D plane. For me the 2D plane was kind
\nof per definiton bound to the horizontal.
\nThen the plane began to move to the vertical,
\nkind of started to have a standing identity of its own.
\nOne black erect plane was standing right next to me,
\nkind of close to the corner of my left eye, and from the
\nlower corner\u00a0 of it a dimmed colourfull streaming energy
\nevent took place. It was as if it was telling me something.
\nIt felt like an initiation again. In what? By what?
\nWhat for? No clue.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile the silences are strong, the music begets
\nparadise qualities and the singing along lady in the
\ncorner sounds like an angel.
\nSlowly, slowly the energy ebbs back to almost normal,
\nthe group energy turns into a\u00a0 awake group energy.
\nMore and more people sing along.
\n(Sjalom being one of the ‘bhajans’).
\nThe beautifull afterglow of a great campfire.<\/p>\n

Short end of the meeting words by Alfa and time
\nfor fruits and cookies.
\nAnd then: out into the icy sugar snow under the
\nnow full and then almost full moon.<\/p>\n

hans<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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