{"id":2284,"date":"2013-05-28T14:14:22","date_gmt":"2013-05-28T12:14:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/hansvandergugten.nl\/?p=2284"},"modified":"2014-04-09T11:09:23","modified_gmt":"2014-04-09T11:09:23","slug":"agitated-waiting-or-tamas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hansvandergugten.nl\/?p=2284","title":{"rendered":"Agitated waiting or Tamas +"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>From this meeting the text is available:<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"5\">\n<tr>\n<td width=\"19\" height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td width=\"562\" height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"top\">Holland, Venwoude, May 28, 2003<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"top\">\n<p>A man in the chair. After quite a silence, Isaac starts speaking. <\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">To you this doesn&#8217;t feel like resistence, it feels like gently being present? <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">There is something like resistence now, I can feel. Doesn&#8217;t feel very comfortable at this moment. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Ah. Okay, good.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">There is this thinking, it wants to accomplish something. I feel some hesitation to follow it or be with it. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">And the overall feeling is one of just waiting, yeah?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Agitated waiting. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Agitated waiting. Yeah, that&#8217;s a good description.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">So now you&#8217;re waiting. Can you see what an incredible invention this waiting is? Because as long as you are waiting you never can look, cause you are waiting, you&#8217;re busy. It&#8217;s a great one, isn&#8217;t it? He is just waiting, agitatedly. It is perfect. Look, no problem, I am waiting. I am ready, I&#8217;m waitng. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">In a way I am waiting untill I can catch up with it again. Merge with it again. And just that it is all one again. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">How long will you wait? <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Sometimes it takes a while. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">And then, mysterious, suddenly it&#8217;s here. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Yeah<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Then the waiting was worthwile it seems like. And then, when it&#8217;s gone, waiting yeah? <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">\n<p>Yes.<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Yeah, I listened very well in satsang, I was told don&#8217;t do anything, so I&#8217;m just waiting. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">You have any better tips?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Aren&#8217;t we cute? I just love how cute we are. Every word I say is a tip. But when you&#8217;re waiting you can&#8217;t hear it. Cause you are even waiting for the tip you know. It&#8217;s just that last tip that you need, yeah? <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">The stupid thing is that I even know that I don&#8217;t need it.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">\n<p>You know that you don&#8217;t need it but you&#8217;re waiting for something yeah? What you are waiting for? <\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">I don&#8217;t know. I had that realisation yesterday, that thinking is just so stupid. I mean you are just messing things up, you see it and then you do it again. And there is this split. And I &#8216;m now waiting for it to just &#8230;. Otherwise I would be agitated more. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">So you are practicing waiting patiently now?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">What can you do?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">\n<p>What the waiting does, is &#8230;. It&#8217;s like in your mind you really know what you are waiting for. <\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Yes, ja ja. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">So you still believe your mind. Because you&#8217;re not here, you see, already your mind is tied outside. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Yeah, I am waiting for something. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">And you know what you are waiting for, when it feels <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">I still have a big attachment to when it all flows and is peacefull and everything can come in etcetera. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">It&#8217;s worth to wait for that, yeah? <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">That&#8217;s the stupid part of it, because I like that, so I want that, and I know that wanting it is killing it. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">So you try not to want for it, but you just wait for it. It&#8217;s a crazy game, you are very smart. So at least wanting is gone now. But not really, it has become agitated waiting. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">The funny thing is: If I can be with it &#8211; there can be a lot of unpleasant emotions &#8211; but there is still peace. That&#8217;s the strange thing. The bit I don&#8217;t like is when I cann&#8217;t be in touch with it anymore.Then it is suddenly all agitation, thinking gets agitated and then it gets worse and worse. Cause I try to fix something about it, or start waiting or <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Yeah. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">And then it is clouded up and I don&#8217;t see it anymore<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">You do! That&#8217;s why you&#8217;re waiting. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">I know there is somewhere something, But I don&#8217;t have any contact with it anymore, so I don&#8217;t even know what I am waiting for. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">You have contact with it. In your mind you know what you are waiting for.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Ja, a picture. But that doesn&#8217;t work, I also know that. It will never be like that.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">This waiting itself. When you explore the waiting itself, you are alive to the waiting. Then you are not waitng anymore. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">But I would have to do it without any agenda, any wanting to make it better, or &#8230;. May be I would even have to explore that. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Yes, may be<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Because also exploration, I can corrupt that also very easily. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Yes of course, everything can be corrupted.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">A couple of hours ago I did some exploration how it would feel like on monday to go to work. And that was an interesting exploration, but also with a goal, I felt the goal behind it to make that better and that doen&#8217;t work, it just messes it all up. You&#8217;re right, it takes such a small tiny feeling to agitate the whole system again, to get it worked up. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">[Silence] Then Isaac, reacting on some nervous laughter in the audience: <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">\n<p>That&#8217;s the sound of one mind clapping.<\/p>\n<p>Okay.<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Thank you.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"top\">[ I ask from the audience] <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Isaac, is this tamas, this energy?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">\n<p>Waiting, yeah. You know what it does, it&#8217;s like &#8230;. <\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s so great the way it works. Because you think that you are not doing and you&#8217;re doing! <br \/>\n          So you are never really present in it, because your mind is tied somewhere else. <br \/>\n          But if you are really in it, the waiting is the doorway to here.\n        <\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Say that again?<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">\nIF YOU ARE REALLY IN IT, THE WAITING IS THE DOORWAY TO HERE. [my shouting] <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Right! [Can you here my coin drop?] <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&gt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">Then it&#8217;s like, you dont believe in waiting anymore. <br \/>\nIt&#8217;s like: waiting is finished. <br \/>\nBut if you believe in the waiting, then you&#8217;re waiting. <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&lt;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">I will listen to this last part on tape, but thanks for having given it a name, Hans.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td height=\"21\" valign=\"top\">\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From this meeting the text is available: &nbsp; &nbsp; Holland, Venwoude, May 28, 2003 &nbsp; &nbsp; A man in the chair. 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